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Wouldn’t ALL water technically be homeopathic water then? The water we use today is the same water the dinosaurs used, so over millions and millions of years I’m sure every drop of water on this planet has at one time or another come into contact with every element there is. Theoretically then all water on this planet should have a “memory” of every element it’s ever been mixed with…no? Therefore we should be cured by just drinking tap water.
@Shamanlame That’s simply just not true. i have read many studies. i have also seen many of them from both sides discredited because of the way they are performed. Double-blind is really the only way, and most aren’t so can be safely ignored. All the purely scientific heavily controlled tests are negative. The way it supposedly works is also under investigation, as it appears unscientific. These have shown water has no “memory”. You don’t know how it works, but just say it does. Scientific?
@sids500 It looks like you have no exact clue what science is all about. Conducted studies were about finding out if homeopathy works, not about how it works. And there are enough of such which show that it works. Anything else is just a myth
But research is a waste of time for you. Very scientific way of thinking. WOW
@Shamanlame That would be a waste of time. It’s water! It’s just plain nonsense. No formal and properly conducted study has ever found any evidence that water molecules have a memory, which is what homeopathy must rely on for it to be true. The dilutions involved would mean that less than a molecule would survive of the supposedly “active ingredient” by the end. Less than a molecule, could not happen, and if it did occur, it could not have an effect, period.
@sids500 Judging by your arguments, it is easy to see how eager you are to find out. Google a bit about the faults of the Lancet Metastudy and find out why and by which criteria Shang et al. reduced the size of analysed homeopathic studies from over 100 to 8. Then come back..
@Shamanlame Yes, I am sure there’s never been any supporting evidence by trials attempted under strict conditions. The stuff is water! What else is there to underestand? It’s a con, pure and simple, started in an age when medical conmen were rife! We have moved way beyond that now. It’s like the travelling salesmen who rolled into town in the 18th century with elixirs and potions that could supposedly do whatever the recipient wanted them to do. It was a show, done to make money!
@Shamanlame What explains gravity then in your mind?
@Shamanlame Try obtaining the $1m, or at least trying to answer the question you’ve been asked.
@smileman66 How about this one?
w w w. ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16036164
@Impossible3144 Inform yourself about Randi’s preselection criteria.
@sids500 Are you sure about “absolutely no supporting evidence”? Ever heard of the dubious methods by the authors of the famous “Lancet metastudy”?
@HitMeWithIt Gravity is not science, mr. epistemological analphabet
My brain hurts when I hear redundancies such as “conventional science”.
@HitMeWithIt You are merely getting annoyed at use of language. The point of this is to expose the theory behing homeopathy, which is clearly bunkum with absolutely no supporting evidence whatsoever, beyond the placebo effect. It’s use is responsible for many many avoidable deaths from malaria, polio etc. It has to be stopped from being funded. Sure, let the nutters continue to use it, but don’t allow doctors to recommend it.
@PapaQuark Please read the comment you’re replying to. The statement was “homeopathic remedies have never been shown to work more than a placebo”. There has never been anything showing homeopathy’s effectiveness in animals, and anecdotes are obviously irrelevant as evidence. If homeopathy works in animals, where are the people rushing to conduct scientific studies on its effect and claim Randi’s $1 million? This should be easy to prove, yet nobody has done it.
@smileman66 Actually they’ve been used to successfully to treat animals in Europe for centuries.
HEIL HITLER
At a molecular level flow is viscous. It looks like corn syrup. That’s why bacteria use cork screw like motions to swim. I doubt any of their mixtures is truly homogeneous.
@HitMeWithIt Calm down. They are presenting the facts and homeopathy is shown for what it really is. The voice ismerely trying to make thick people interested.
@CJWarlock I think i know who needs school. Were you asleep in chemistry lessons? Utter nonsense, on a par with god, fairies, elves, spirits, santa and honest MPs. Money-making scam which is killing people. Malaria treatments which don’t work is a well known exqample, but there are hundreds. Water has no memory, it is only a molecule containing hydrogen and oxygen! Its only chance is as a placebo, as these people clearly realise, but which would cost them a living if revealed.
@CJWarlock err, not really the angle would depend on the number of not bonded electrons in the molecule. Also, explain why an angle difference on H2O would have any effect on your health.
@HomeopathicDana so you know this test was wrong, why? what flaw do you find with its methods?
Scientifically speaking, homeopathic remedies have never been shown to work more than a placebo. That’s enough for me to say they’re a crock of shit.
Awesome and hilarious! Although I’m sure some morons will think this is a documentary…
I remember reading somewhere once that there was a cholera outbreak somewhere, and homeopaths claimed that their treatments cured people who suffered from the disease. It turned out the only reason they got better was because the treatments consisted of so much water, that the fluids they lost due to diarrhoea was replenished, and they didn’t become dehydrated. lol
People don’t like to exercise, spend time outdoors, have a balanced diet or pay for medicine. It makes sense that they believe so much in this BS.
@buxilala It’s only published on homeopatiaportugal – no other proper journals – and it’s in bloody Portuguese. From what I can glean from google translate, the methods are utterly terrible. Do you take me to be some kind of fucking idiot? It also has nothing to do with homeopathy!
As I said: reputable paper, reputable journal, reputable study, or you’re talking shit. The fact your channel is unavailable to view doesn’t make you any more reputable.
@buxilala By the way, why is your channel not available to view?
@buxilala Oh yeah? Which studies? Publication, date, author please. You can discard anything that’s ever been mentioned negatively by Quackwatch. Go on, shouldn’t be too hard.
It also takes a peculiar kind of moron to say “Big Pharma unethical! Therefore, bullsh-sorry, peddling non-cures to gullible fools is ethical, and works!”
Suggest you look up whatstheharm (dot) net/homeopathy (dot) html
@buxilala Maybe the eficiency of homepatic remedies has been proven, but definitely not the efficiency of homeopathic remedies.
@buxilala To steal muffin8or’s excellent idea: If water has memory, why doesn’t it remember all the poo in it?
If water has memory, why has every single serious study and clinical trial into the merits of homeopathy found that it is no more effective than a placebo?
If water has memory, why do people die from serious conditions because of the false hope, peddled by idiots like you, that a bit of water with fuck all else in it will cure them?
If water has memory… get the point? Fuck off.
If water has memory why doesn’t it remember all the poo in it?
@buxilala If that is true, your friend should be removed from the practice of conventional medicine. Homeopathy does not cure, it has never cured, and it will never do. Read the book by the founder of this pseudoscience and you will understand why. Water doesn’t cure, and that is what a homeopath will give you. The placebo effect HAS been proved in animals.
BARKING OF DOGS WILL NOT DETER AN ELEPHANT FROM WALKING TOWARDS ITS DESTINATION .
huh?
@jackdan13l There is only one fact you need to know about the efficiency of homeopathy: Insurance companies (in Germany) pay for it. For them, it’s worth the money.
We agree of course that homeopathy is a hoax, or at best well-intentioned folly. But by prescribing water and sugar pills it manages more than channeling the placebo effect. I never figured what it might be until I talked to a level headed pharmacists about it. They LISTEN. If real doctors did that, there’d be no homeopaths.
I’m gasping for a pint of that homeopathic lager!
My local homeopath cures pera turgida every day. (Opens Latin>English dictionary, P… Pera “Purse or wallet”. Turgida iss, let me find it…. Swollen or inflamed), ergo, ipso facto and ad demonstrandum, Homeopathy cures a swollen wallet!
And they call effective medicine big pharma.
@drneelaveni What you are describing is anecdotal evidence. The reason good quality trials compare treatments to placebos and not to doing nothing is that there is good evidence merely trying something and expecting benefit can make you perceive one, real or not. Homeopathy compared to placebo has, as far as I am aware, never been shown to be beneficial. If you know of a properly conducted trial which shows otherwise I am more than happy to read it with an open mind. Just post us the reference.
@Mistraker Not at all, they can’t cure dehysdration, they would prescribe you with a touch of sand in the throat!
Homeopathic lager = Bud Lite
YOU GUYS ARE AMAZING
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The other day a friend of mine dropped some rum in the municipal water. The next day newspapers reported massive parties and unrest across the city.
@drneelaveni
I believe that’s already been done, sir, in the 10:23 protests. With homoeopathic arsenic. People overdosed and gained no effects one way or the other.
Fucking hilarious!
@drneelaveni
Excuse me, but what are you recommending we take this remedy for? And how does your recommendation fit in with the notion that homeopathic remedies are individualised?
Your assumption that people commenting here don’t know anything about homeopathy is ridiculous, by the way. We know more about it than you do. We know it’s a crock.
Great blog post by the quackometer: “escaping the cult of homeopathy”, includes extensive quotes from ex-homeopaths. Google it. Especially if you’re a homeopathy cultist.